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网名有点傻,一直尝试注册新名字一直未成功。谁知道是手机的问题还是经销商的问题还是客服的问题,反正是验证码发出去就石沉大海。不喜欢麻烦,去找来找去找到注册成功。想来想去,就用这个傻傻的名字好了。也不记得当初为什么用了这个名字。也许注册的时候面对的世界有些灰暗,对蓝天的渴望其实是对那个时候的状态改变的渴望。

离开快12年了。中间有回去。每次回去都去不同的地方感受变化。很骄傲祖国强大和变化是以看得见的速度在展现的。虽然至今有些西人不了解不懂不相信,可也有另外一批西人认真的观察,审视,接受,到赞叹。

我每天花很多时间在网上看类似知乎的网站Quora。系统根据我阅读习惯给我推荐的基本就是关于中国和德国的一些问答。我看到一些非常有共鸣的回答就总想跟国内的朋友分享。这里是个很好的平台。按照目前一些规定,可能某些段落会被系统屏敝,不过因为我的有强烈的想分享的念头,这一点点不便我决定忽略。

我比较懒。有感兴趣的内容时我会愿意来分享,没有时,我可能就不来。我知道这里有很多人会骂人,会说各种难听话,我发这个贴也有点在测试自己的抵抗力和免疫力。实在不开心,我大不了不来了。

天天天天天兰2019-07-19 23:51:14 发布在 海外华人
今天读到的内容特别想分享。所以今天实在忍不住要发贴。英文原贴。我贴上来。我懒,直接用谷歌翻译在后面好了。本来想翻译都免了,看得懂的看,看不懂的自己翻译。想想,我用谷歌方便些。如果百度翻译也不错,以后我就不翻译了。
天天天天天兰2019-07-19 23:54:11 发布在 海外华人
Why do Western countries keep criticising China's human rights issues? Is it a double standard?

为什么西方国家一直批评中国的人。权问题? 这是双重标准吗?
天天天天天兰2019-07-19 23:56:36 发布在 海外华人
哦这个作者后面的论述太长了。我不想转了。翻译的也不尽准确。我转另外一个回答。

No, I’d say that it’s just the opposite- China gets accused of human rights violations when people attempt to judge China by Western standards.

Modern Western thought on government is largely based upon a number of ideals about human rights which have roots as far back as ancient Greece and Rome (some even earlier), seeing huge growth during Renaissance and the Enlightenment, and continuing to evolve today.

These fundamental ideals include such concepts as the rule of law, the rights of free speech/religion/press/due process/etc., the idea that all humans are equal in the eyes of the law, the freedom to self-determine, the idea that government is created by and for the people.

All of these ideals are deeply ingrained in how modern Westerners think. The idea of “human rights” at all is a very Western notion.

But Chinese culture does not have the same fundamental philosophies. Chinese culture is heavily influenced by ideas like Confucianism, which teaches duty and responsibility. Chinese culture is very collectivist- the idea that many people should be inconvenienced simply because a certain person wants to express his or her “rights” is seen as ludicrous.

So if we judge from a Western perspective, China absolutely violates human rights. For example:

Freedom of Speech/the Press: Social media is heavily regulated. The Great Firewall prevents free internet searches. The press is controlled heavily by the CCP.

Freedom of Religion: While you are absolutely allowed to adhere to other religions in China, gatherings of non-state approved organizations are illegal. People in China can be incarcerated for their religious adherence.

Right to Due Process: Many people in China feel that their complaints (for example, on housing issues) are not heard. Some people are put in prisons or even executed without trial by jury.

And the list could go on. But China has a perspective, too. Many people feel that the U.S. is very imperialistic, that it loves war, that the government (and many of the people) are very greedy, that Americans think of themselves as superior.

Both countries have plenty of occurrences in their respective histories of what modern Westerners would consider human rights violations. Millions died in China’s Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. Americans committed genocide of Native Americans and enslaved millions of Africans and African Americans. Arguing about those points, though, is stupid in my opinion, because ever single people ever to have existed has committed “human rights violations”. The bigger issue is, what is a nation’s policy and practice now.

Some people here have raised legitimate concerns about the U.S.’ actions in occupied nations, such as Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. To a point, these accusations are legitimate- probably hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed in nations that the U.S. has occupied. However, hundreds of thousands (perhaps even millions!) of civilians were killed/raped/forced into labor during the U.S. conquests of Japan and Germany, and most people agree that WWII was worth our fighting. That, of course, in no way justifies American actions, but the point I’m trying to get across is that, in war, civilians always get killed. I think that for the most part the U.S. attempts to minimize collateral damage, but there are always exceptions. There is, though, a legitimate point here, that U.S. intervention in the Second Gulf War was intended to save lives, but did instead backfire and result in many more innocent deaths.

Anyway, the long story short is this: By U.S. standards, yes, China absolutely commits human rights violations. By Chinese standards, China is doing what she needs to to make herself strong (which will benefit all of her people), even at the cost of the interests of some. Perhaps the most similar thing about China and the U.S. is that both are led by people who care primarily for the good of their own country, and all of their actions are perceived through that lens.

不,我只是反过来说 - 当人们试图按照西方标准判断中国时,中国被指控侵犯人权。

现代西方关于政府的思想主要基于一系列关于人权的理想,这些理想源于古希腊和罗马(有些甚至更早),在文艺复兴和启蒙运动中看到了巨大的增长,并在今天继续发展。

这些基本理想包括诸如法治,言论自由/宗教/新闻/正当程序等权利等概念,所有人在法律眼中是平等的,自我决定的自由,认为政府是由人民创造的。

所有这些理想都深深植根于现代西方人的思想中。 “人权”的概念根本就是西方的概念。

但中国文化没有相同的基本哲学。中国文化深受儒家思想的影响,儒家思想教授责任和责任。中国文化是非常集体主义的 - 许多人只是因为某个人想要表达他或她的“权利”而应该感到不便的想法被认为是荒谬的。

因此,如果我们从西方的角度来判断,中国绝对违反了人权。例如:

言论自由/出版社:社交媒体受到严格监管。 Great Firewall阻止免费的互联网搜索。媒体受到中共的严格控制。

宗教自由:虽然你绝对被允许在中国坚持其他宗教,但非国家批准的组织的聚会是非法的。中国人可能因其宗教信仰而被监禁。

正当程序权:中国的许多人都认为他们没有听到他们的抱怨(例如住房问题)。有些人被监禁,甚至未经陪审团审判而被处决。

名单可以继续下去。但中国也有一个观点。许多人认为美国是非常帝国主义的,它热爱战争,政府(和许多人)非常贪婪,美国人认为自己是优越的。

这两个国家在各自历史上都有很多关于现代西方人认为侵犯人权的事件。数百万人死于中国的大跃进和文化大革命。美国人犯下了美洲原住民的种族灭绝罪,并奴役了数百万非洲人和非洲裔美国人。然而,在我看来,争论这些观点是愚蠢的,因为曾经存在的单身人士都犯下了“侵犯人权”。更大的问题是,现在国家的政策和实践是什么。

这里的一些人对美国在越南,伊拉克和阿富汗等被占领国家的行动提出了合理的担忧。在某种程度上,这些指控是合法的 - 可能在美国占领的国家中有数十万平民丧生。然而,在日本和德国的美国征服期间,数十万(甚至数百万!)平民被杀害/被强奸/被迫劳动,大多数人都认为第二次世界大战是值得我们战斗的。当然,这绝不是美国行动的正当理由,但我试图弄清楚的是,在战争中,平民总是被杀害。我认为,在大多数情况下,美国试图尽量减少附带损害,但总有例外。不过,这里有一个合理的观点,即美国对第二次海湾战争的干预是为了挽救生命,但反而适得其反,导致更多无辜的死亡。

无论如何,长话短说是:按照美国的标准,是的,中国绝对犯下侵犯人权的行为。按照中国的标准,中国正在做她需要做的事情,以使自己变得强大(这将使她的所有人受益),甚至以牺牲一些人的利益为代价。也许与中国和美国最相似的事情是,两者都是由主要关心自己国家利益的人领导,他们所有的行为都是通过这种视角来感知的
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 00:11:44 发布在 海外华人
这个问题就不继续转了。我只是想说,西方也有人是懂我们的文化的,是比较客观的。不追求所有人的认同,一步步按定下的步调坚实地走下去,克服所有困难,我们终会达成既定目标。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 00:24:55 发布在 海外华人
再转一个问题。

Do younger Chinese especially the well educated Chinese born after 1990 support Chinese government more?

年轻的中国人,特别是1990年以后出生的受过良好教育的中国人,是否更多地支持中国政府。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 00:27:14 发布在 海外华人
好了。今天就转到这里。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 00:36:20 发布在 海外华人
实际上,普通的年轻中国人并不热衷于政治,而是更关注自己的生活。总的来说,他们对中共的印象是“相当不错”,甚至比老一代更好。该党不遗余力地塑造其对中国人民的非凡形象。该党隐瞒了历史的一部分:历史教科书试图避免最黑暗的事件。互联网受到严密监督,敏感主题甚至文字被立即封锁或删除。此外,年轻学生被迫参加“政治课程”,这是政治宣传的手段。这些书旨在说明党的领导的有效性和必要性。因此,大多数年轻的中国人认为他们生活在一个繁荣的国家(这是真的,真的,哈哈)由一个伟大的政党领导。

对于像我这样受过良好教育的中国人,我们非常了解这个国家的黑暗面,但仍然充分尊重党。中共确实为中国人提供了一个富裕,稳定,和平的社会,结束了饥饿,战争和疾病的痛苦历史。当我还是本科生时,我的历史教授通过讲述一些“真实的”历史故事,给了我一个关于中共的全面见解。我真的很感激他也教我根据真相区分黑白,独立思考。最后,我停止对党提出激烈的批评和谴责,但试图逐渐理解。 (我想很多中国人也有同样的感受)

所以,我爬出了“仇恨或爱情”的陷阱,并充分了解了历史。将政府作为一个人进行比较并对其进行一般性评论是不恰当的。人们只能根据一定的历史背景和条件做出正确的判断。

在许多情况下,你不会做出比党更好的选择,我会打赌!
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 00:38:35 发布在 海外华人
哦。发完了回头一看,有些内容没了。希望这个是可以有所改变的。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 00:41:30 发布在 海外华人







天天天天天兰2019-07-20 06:33:40 发布在 海外华人
上面的图片是昨晚在外面吃饭时从店里拍出去的。这两天气温回升据说下一波热浪正在来的路上。期待中。还是比较喜欢温暖湿润的地方。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 16:15:04 发布在 海外华人
Why are the Chinese so good at copying?

为什么中国人如此擅长复制?
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 16:17:37 发布在 海外华人
“Copying” is deep in Chinese DNA & culture. They even has a proverb for it: “Seeing a better, one should seek to parallel”.见贤思齐。

In ancient time, there wasn’t any copyright law. Everyone just learn and copy freely from the better one to improve. Its not until the West capitalism rise to top from its industrialization just few centuries ago, West invented patent system to ensure their leading advantage.

But who invented most of the things prior to West civilization? Science and Civilisation in China

But did China learn from any other high civilization? Sure, tonnes of it from ancient Bharat-India continent, Persian, Roman, Egypt, etc. But no one pay royalty or get sued to learn from better ones, just universal knowledge exchange to improve life.

“复制”深入中国的DNA和文化。 他们甚至有一句谚语:“看得更好,人们应该寻求平行”。见贤思齐。

在古代,没有任何版权法。 每个人都只是从更好的人那里学习和自由地进行改进。 直到几个世纪前,西方资本主义才从工业化中崛起,西方发明专利制度以确保其领先优势。

但谁在西方文明之前发明了大部分的东西? 中国的科学与文明

但中国是否从其他任何高级文明中学习? 当然,它来自古老的巴拉特 - 印度大陆,波斯,罗马,埃及等。但没有人支付版税或被起诉向更好的学习,只需通过知识交流来改善生活。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 16:19:11 发布在 海外华人
Chinese is as usual very good at copying everyone to quickly improve their life again, alleviating 700M from poverty within 40yrs. By next year 2020, they will alleviate all severe poverty to ensure every Chinese is guaranteed (by state law) a decent job, shelter, food & basic healthcare, while every West nations are having over 20% poverty no one want to talk about.

Over last 40yrs, US has mutated its IP copyright system to become a powerful tool where big US corps with vast legal resources will patent every single shits to suppress & extort any weaker corps/nation through complex IP system & costly lengthy law suits, backed by US sanction power. Intellectual property, not monopoly

Did Edison invented the light bulb? No.

Lot of small corps & poor nations growth were strangled with costly products(like MS Office), high royalty fees & law suits, while their indigenous innovations often get violated or worst patented. Japan even try to patent my favorite Indian curry.

像往常一样,中国人非常善于抄袭每个人,以便迅速改善他们的生活,在40年内减轻7亿人的贫困。 到2020年,他们将减轻所有严重贫困,以确保每个中国人(通过州法律)得到一份体面的工作,住所,食品和基本医疗保健,而每个西方国家都有超过20%的贫困,没有人愿意谈论。

在过去的40年里,美国已经改变了其知识产权版权制度,成为一个强大的工具,拥有大量法律资源的美国大军将通过复杂的知识产权制度和昂贵的冗长诉讼来压制和勒索任何弱势军团/国家。 美国制裁权。 知识产权,而不是垄断

爱迪生是否发明了灯泡? 没有。

许多小型军团和贫穷国家的增长都被昂贵的产品(如MS Office),高额的特许权使用费和法律诉讼所扼杀,而他们的本土创新经常被侵犯或获得专利。 日本甚至试图为我最喜欢的印度咖喱申请专利。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 16:22:26 发布在 海外华人
Since US alleged China is stealing all its IP, did millions of China corps get sued in US & globally, or brought to WTO? No. Because China actually paid $30B global royalty p.a., right behind US paying $40B. So how can China be biggest IP thieves as US alleged?

由于美国声称中国正在窃取其所有知识产权,数百万中国军团是否在美国和全球被起诉,或被提交入世? 不是。因为中国实际上支付了30亿美元的全球特许权使用费,仅次于美国支付400亿美元。 那么中国如何才能成为美国所谓的最大知识产权窃贼呢?
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 16:23:27 发布在 海外华人
When West invited China to tender a FSR project, they didn't had any intention to offer it any project. They just patented its proposal containing IP to Chinese dismay. That's how capitalism predatory policy work, rich get richer.

Patent filing is a very lucrative business yet expensive game not for small innovative companies or poor nations. So Japan & Korea copy US & EU, jumped in to spend huge resources in patenting every shit instead of investing on innovation. They become top 3 patent holders soon, with Samsung rank No.1 in application. Everyone sued each other to get even.

China realized its late comer disadvantage after joining WTO, every tiny basic technology, design, pattern, name, & logo are already patented by G7 to claim royalty, you can't create much new thing without violating one. And you have to very diligently verify if your design violate any of their numerous complex patents to avoid costly law suits. This system was designed to kill any innovation for late comer like China & Asia.

当West邀请中国投标FSR项目时,他们没有任何意图提供任何项目。他们刚刚将其包含知识产权的提案申请专利,令中国人失望。这就是资本主义掠夺性政策的运作方式,富人变得富裕起来。

专利申请是一项非常有利可图的业务,而且对于小型创新公司或贫穷国家而言并不昂贵。所以日本和韩国复制美国和欧盟,大肆投入大量资源为每一件事提供专利,而不是投资于创新。他们很快成为三大专利持有者,三星在应用方面排名第一。每个人都互相起诉以取得平衡。

加入WTO后,中国意识到其后来的劣势,每一个微小的基本技术,设计,模式,名称和标识都已经被G7申请专利权,要求使用版权,你不能创造新的东西而不会违反。而且你必须非常努力地验证你的设计是否违反了他们众多的复杂专利,以避免昂贵的诉讼。该系统旨在扼杀中国和亚洲等后来者的任何创新。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 16:27:17 发布在 海外华人
But everyone has forgotten Chinese is naturally very good at “copying” to outperform everyone, so they started to copy US, EU & Jp predatory system on how to utilize WTO system & patent rights to fight back. The WTO and China.

China paid its due fees $30B p.a. diligently without complaining, working as world sweat shop for meagre margin($15 per $1K iPhone) over 30yrs with high pollution. It started to invest in a huge legal team to patent all its discovery as well, but plough more into R&D instead of playing financial scam like West & Jp. Within a decade, its No.1 in patents filing well surpassing US & the world. Huawei is now No1 patent applicant.

但是每个人都忘记了中国人自然非常擅长“复制”以超越每个人,所以他们开始复制美国,欧盟和Jp的掠夺性制度,如何利用WTO体系和专利权进行反击。 WTO与中国。

中国支付了30美元的应付费用。 努力工作,没有抱怨,工作作为世界汗水商店的微薄边际(每1美元iPhone 1美元15美元)超过30年的高污染。 它开始投资一个庞大的法律团队为其所有发现申请专利,但更多地投入研发而不是像West&Jp那样玩金融骗局。 十年之内,其专利申请量排名第一,远远超过美国和世界。 华为现在是第一号专利申请人。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 16:28:23 发布在 海外华人
Godfrey Roberts。是这个关于复制的问题的回答者。有理由记住他。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 16:35:17 发布在 海外华人
上面问题的回答是马来西亚人Ridzwan Abdul Rahman完成的。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 21:07:25 发布在 海外华人
下面这个关于香港的问题我不知道能不能发出去。试试先。
天天天天天兰2019-07-20 21:09:11 发布在 海外华人